I love sharing the different ways that folks can make money online that don’t require coaching or a lot of time with people. Think of these as the resource, tools or items that you can design once and sell over and over again while you’re busy doing other things. Printables are one of those scalable products that I’m intrigued by and I thought it would be great to speak with someone one who is teaching others how to build and scale a printable revenue stream.
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Michelle: [00:00:00] Welcome to Creators Getting Paid, a podcast and resource designed to help mission focused content creators find, strategize, and grow at least one recurring passive income stream in their business to 500 or more each month. Remember, passive income isn’t passive. And I created this because I realized we were making money out there, but the skill set to do recurring income, Is completely different.
I love today’s conversation with Cody Berman from gold city ventures. He shares his love for printables and other digital downloads. And I hope this conversation is as inspiring to you as it was to me. Want to enjoy more content like this episode access tools and behind the scenes conversations with other creators have built mission focused businesses that are thriving.
Make sure to go to creators, getting paid. com forward slash newsletter. to stay in the conversation. New community members will also receive access to a free business building mini workshop as my gift to you. The workshops change. So I didn’t want to share [00:01:00] what exactly it was at this moment. Okay, now let’s listen to the episode.
Cody: Well, hello, I’m excited to be here. I’m Cody. I’m a 28 year old entrepreneur. Been in the online creator space since 2017, 2018, and I actually reached financial independence at 25 and I do a whole bunch of things. We can dive into any of them today.
Michelle: Let’s talk about that. I love fire peeps. You could kind of briefly share your fire journey and how it informed your business, like how it’s impacted your business.
Is it why you started your business?
Cody: Yeah. So I’ve always been side hustle guy. I’ve [00:02:00] always wanted to make money in creative ways. Actually, a book that really changed me was the four hour work week. I read that when I was 19 years old, I was a sophomore in college. And the notion that I didn’t have to trade time for money that I could build.
These passive income machines, whether it was trading my time or my energy or my money for this thing that could then pay me in perpetuity. I was like, I want that. I no longer want to have to work X number of hours to get Y paycheck. I want to just make money when I’m not doing anything, when I’m sleeping, when I’m at the beach, when I’m on vacation.
So. That was kind of the Genesis for the whole thing. And then I found the fire movement. I started saving a huge percentage of my income, invested that into the stock market, into real estate, kept focusing on my online business stuff. And as that income grew, my investments grew and lo and behold, within a couple of years, I had reached financial independence.
Michelle: Cody, don’t forget to share your brand in business. That’s important.
Cody: Didn’t want to pump myself up too much here. Uh, Gold City Ventures is my main brand. It’s where I spend a majority of my time and it’s all about passive income with digital products. So [00:03:00] printables, eBooks, we do online courses and memberships as well.
That’s kind of the main thing that I spend most of my time on. Even though, like I said, I’ve tried probably 30 different side hustles. A lot of them have fizzled out to this point.
Michelle: Um, there’s no tall poppy syndrome here. We’re American. So like, like share your stuff. But I do want to say something really funny.
I’m glad you brought up the four hour work week because I, I’m going to share my experience with the book and you’re going to crack up. I think about it now. I think it’s really funny. So I was working at a university. I loved my job until I hated it. There were, there are reasons why, but um, I really, it was a great job.
And one of my student assistants, one of my, who’s to this day, my student assistants are still friends. They’re amazing. I was a great boss. Anyway, one of my student assistants, Gave me the book because they knew that I was really intrigued with, you know, business online and building things online. And the book had come out, April gives me the book.
I read it. I’m like, what the [00:04:00] fuck is this? And I kind of feel like it was the right book at the wrong time without enough context. So I have to reread the book. Because I think I have so much more context for what they were trying to communicate. But at the time that I got it, I think it was just too early.
So it cracks me up because that book in particular, I was like, I love that April gave this to me and I was so like. Not ready for anything in terms of the messaging. I just couldn’t, I didn’t hear it. With that being said, I want to hear about three things that didn’t work within building this brand and product, because I feel like people, you know, yesterday I had a conversation with someone, I was running a workshop.
And I was like, look, you’re going to have to try things multiple times before you hit the thing that works in particular, in terms of designing online business and products that work for you and align for like how you like to serve, [00:05:00] what intrigues you, the business model. It just takes, it just takes some time to figure out.
It’s like a lot of AB testing. And I had to like say this more than once. I’m just like, this will take time. This creator is getting paid. This is the second iteration of this project. Several years ago, before COVID, I tried to do something like this with a different name, it just wasn’t the right timing and the right, like cadence.
And it just wasn’t the right time. This has gone much more smoothly because of that first iteration. So I’m curious, what were the things that you tried that just did not work?
Cody: Is this within the confines of my main business now or just all the side hustles that failed? Because I have some horrible side hustle failures too.
Michelle: Let’s do both. Within the context, let’s start with just in general and then within the context of your business.
Cody: Well, the income streams I don’t, I didn’t like the most. I wouldn’t say they failed. They just sucked was like one, for example, I delivered Uber eats on a bike. You wouldn’t believe this, Michelle.
I got two one star ratings because I was sweating on people’s [00:06:00] food because I was living in a really hilly city and I was delivering people’s food on a bike and I’m making like seven bucks, you know, for an hour long trip. It was horrible. Terrible one. Another one was Freelance writing for some reason, this was early on in my journey.
I just couldn’t find gigs. So I was writing full blown articles for like 20 bucks and they would take me hours. That was not it. That was not it. Another one that didn’t really work out too, too well was podcast editing. So I did podcast editing for a while and I’m perfectionist. So when I edit my own stuff, I’m taking.
In an inordinate amount of time. So when I was editing other people’s stuff, I took the same level of perfectness to it, but they weren’t paying for perfectness. They just wanted it cut up decent. So I was spending so much time for so little money. So those are three kind of outside, but these are all examples of where Tim Ferriss kind of.
Help me shift the narrative where I was spending so much of my time. I was like using so many hours to get so little money in return. It was kind of active income side hustles that sucked.
Michelle: [00:07:00] I will admit that, you know, it’s hard because especially with us being initially in the personal finance space, a lot of those folks will do freelance writing in particular.
And I have friends who are prolific freelance writers. They make quite a bit of money. And I thought, well, surely I should like this because I love writing. Like this is the frustrating part. I love to write. I don’t like freelance writing. It’s not, I don’t like freelance writing in the personal finance space.
So I do still do some projects for people, but typically the ones I enjoy are in the outdoor space, like travel and outdoors, they’re much more fun. They’re like a lot more chill and those clients, the editing process and experience of that is so different. And I had great editors. I had great topics. I got paid fast and I just still did not like personal finance freelance writing.
I just, it’s not for me. Writing is for me, but, but freelance writing is not for me. So you’ve done these side hustles and then [00:08:00] they’re also all, everything you talked about was hard to scale. How many bike rides can you do? So how did you like start designing your own products? And what was that like? Like, why, like, how did this even happen?
Cody: Good question. So the first time I had experienced true passive income, my friend, Julie, who’s my business partner now, but she had introduced me to this side hustle. Again, I was a side hustle guy and just a quick side note for any of you guys who are sitting on the sidelines, who haven’t tried anything yet.
Try As many side hustles as you possibly can. Some of them are going to suck. I have gone through so many sucky, shitty side hustles that I’ve now stopped, but now I learned I don’t like doing that. I realized, Hey, I don’t like freelance writing for personal finance bloggers. Just like you did, Michelle. I realized, Hey, I don’t like getting paid to bike 20 miles to deliver a pizza and sweat all over it.
So I learned early on, and there were some other ones that weren’t. as egregious failures, but I just realized they weren’t things I like to do. [00:09:00] Like build websites for people. That was something else I did. I just realized it’s not for me. I don’t really like doing it that much. Okay. Back to passive income.
So my friend, Julie told me about selling printables and digital products on Etsy. I had never been on Etsy before. I didn’t even know what printables were, but I was like, I’ll give it a shot. I’m a side hustle guy. I’m doing all this other crap that sucks. Like how bad can this be? So I started creating products.
I started Honestly, my first like 20 or 25 products, which I spent countless hours on. So a lot of people are like, okay, this is it. This is where it’s going to hit the gold. And everything’s going to be sunshine and rainbows. I spent so many hours for literally zero return. So I’m like, well, this sucks, but I finally started to kind of use data and figure out what people are asking, searching for, and.
This is actually a wicked fun story. Cause I was with, I just had wicked fun. Wow. That really shows my new England, but I was with a bunch of FinCon people actually at ski con. I don’t know if you’re a skier, a snowboarder, you’re in Colorado.
Michelle: I’m a snowboarder. And actually I was part of the reason why that even became a thing.
But that’s a different cup. Cause you know, even better story
Cody: now. Perfect. Okay. So this story has even more [00:10:00] context. So I was at ski con and I was like on the ski lift with Nick Loper. I think. Well, so Dustin Heiner was with me and my phone kept blowing up. I had this like to Ching sound. It was from Etsy and I didn’t know what the heck was going on because my Etsy shop had done absolute shit until this point.
Um, but so we go in for the lodge, we go into lunch and I’m looking at my phone. I’m like, Oh my God, I just made like 100 this morning. It was like. 11 a. m. Or noon. It’s the first time I really experienced true passive income in any really measurable capacity. I’ve made like, you know, five bucks from an affiliate link on a blog or like very, very small amounts.
But after, after this week, I had made over 700 passively while I was skiing Lake Tahoe with the homies at FinCon and SkiCon. And I was like, okay. This thing has legs. This is awesome. Like this is the first time I’ve experienced true passive income where I’m not working on the thing. I’m actually getting like a pretty decent amount of money.
I mean, 700 bucks in a week without working on it is especially back then. I think I was 22 years old. I was like, this is fricking awesome. [00:11:00] Like I’m, I’m going to keep doing this. And so that was kind of the Genesis. That was the baby story of how digital products came to be for me.
Michelle: I’m trying to figure out these digital products.
I’m assuming that at that time you still had like an actual personal finance blog. Am I? I did and
Cody: podcast.
Michelle: Once that started happening, did you like transition out of that to this new venture? Kind of walk me through what happened next.
Cody: I did hang up the blog. I still keep some of my articles online, but I essentially shut down the blog.
I enjoy podcasting a lot. I didn’t shut that down, but the digital products is where I put majority of my focus. Cause I was making a lot of money from it. I’m like, it would be silly for me not to pour a lot more time and resources into this. But in terms of like pivoting, it wasn’t like I just went all in and only created personal finance products.
I was creating seasonal products. You’ll laugh at this one. Some of the stuff that I was selling. So that. Ski con I was talking about, of course, it was during the winter. It was during Valentine’s week, actually. And I created a bunch of Valentine’s day printables, [00:12:00] like love coupons and these like custom, like love cards.
You could put your spouses, your partner’s face in them. So I had a couple of these products that just went gangbusters, like hundreds of sales each, and they’re a couple of bucks a piece. So at the end of the week, like I said, I made. 720 dollars. So no, I wasn’t just staying in personal finance. I was adding personal finance stuff to my product suite because I already had built it.
Like I already had an awesome net worth tracking spreadsheet that I built for myself. I already had like all these different things that I built for myself personally that I then went and listed as a digital product. But no, I didn’t just a niche to personal finance. I kind of just threw darts in as many directions as I possibly could and saw what hit
Michelle: your years later into this journey.
And I’m curious, what are some of the Lessons that you’ve learned along the way about building out printables in particular, because I feel like that’s really the, where your focus is in terms of your business and, and like teaching other people to do this as well. Like what, what happened next?
Cody: [00:13:00] Biggest lesson I learned, and I can actually draw a parallel to blogging, which we’re both familiar with, is actually using data and keyword research to inform the stuff I was making.
So those first 20 or 25 products that I made, I just made them on a whim. I had no idea what I was doing. I thought people might like them, might think they were cool, but I wasn’t using data to back it up. This is the equivalent to a blogger just writing about random stuff, hoping people click on it. I’m guessing a lot of the people that hire you as a freelance writer hired you as a freelance writer.
They did a lot of keyword research and SEO and like, they wanted this specific title and they wanted, you know, these five paragraphs to cover these specific things because that’s what people are searching for. They’re using keyword research data to inform the blog article that they’re writing. It’s the same thing with, Products.
It’s the same thing with printables, anything you’re creating. So instead of just like making stuff willy nilly, this is a funny story. The first product I ever created, I thought this was a great idea. Again, I was 22 years old. I was like, okay, what should I make? I’m going to make a 21st birthday party drinking game.
And that’s why I spent all this [00:14:00] time creating this game. Looking back now, I’m like, what? 21 year old needs a printable on Etsy to get drunk with their friends. They’re just going to go get drunk at the bar. They’re not going to go and print something out and make a game out of it. And so that product fluffed magnificently.
I spent like five hours creating it. I thought it was so genius, so clever. Zero sales. So now I don’t even bother making the thing unless there’s the keyword research, the data to back it up that like, Hey, there’s actually people searching for this thing. Now I should create it.
Michelle: That’s really funny.
Actually. Oh, if you were to do this over again, right? Like if you were to start your business over again, what would you do differently?
Cody: Probably just lead with the data from the beginning. And honestly, something that I, and a lot of other people in my space, in the fire space, especially I’m extremely frugal about most things.
And one of those things is learning how to do stuff. Like I will watch 12 hours of YouTube videos and go on Google for 15 hours and try to [00:15:00] figure out something myself where I might just be able to buy a template. And it’s like 15 bucks, or I might be able to pay a coach to help me, or I might be able to do this, do that.
Yeah. There’s an example, I’m a real estate investor as well, where I tried to fix this plumbing issue under my sink. It took me six hours and it was still broken. I called my plumber and he came over and he’s like, this is the wrong piece. And he fixed it in 10 minutes. So it’s like, I used to be frugal to a fault.
Where I wouldn’t pay for the right tools. I wouldn’t pay for the right help. I would just try to do everything the freeway. And that really came back to bite me. And actually, Oh, I’m drawing so many parallels here when I did that bike delivery. So when I did the Uber Eats thing, I was in Australia and I didn’t want to.
Go out and buy a bike. Like I’m a fire guy. Why would I go out and pay full price for a bike? I bought a used bike off the equivalent of Craigslist, which is called Gumtree for 25. It was a women’s bike that was too small for me. And it only ran in one gear. So I couldn’t even down or upshift. So many times in my life has being too frugal kind of bit me in the butt.
[00:16:00] And this was one of those times with digital products where I just, I didn’t have the right tools. Didn’t have the right people on my side.
Michelle: Wait, you were delivering in Australia?
Cody: I was.
Michelle: That’s hilarious. And I lived there for six months. Okay. That totally makes sense to me that they would be like, why is this American guy sweating on our food?
Um, what city were you in?
Cody: I was in Brisbane, the sub county for people who know the area is too long, which is extremely hilly, like crazy hills.
Michelle: Uh, I’ve been to, I spent a couple of months in Australia and Sydney and Melbourne, and Beautiful country. Lots of things that could kill you. I have a crazy story about hiking and jeans, which I never do.
Like for some reason I wore them. Thank God I did because we were walking through the bush hike ends. And I’m like, why is my leg burning? And come to find out I was bit, I think by a spider and had a, like, like an antihistamine reaction. And it [00:17:00] was this big. And I was like, if I hadn’t worn jeans, Oh my God.
But that’s you guys, that’s not the conversation.
Cody: Sorry. Yeah. Side track.
Michelle: So I got, I got, you know, a little sidetrack there, but, um, so you started. Making principles. It catches on. You’re excited about it because it actually makes money. Could you talk about growing this and, and when you decided to teach other people to do the same.
Cody: Once it started to become significant enough where I was just. Getting excited and telling people about it. Cause all the people in the fire space, they talk, all my friends at home, they’d ask, like, what are you doing? And I was an entrepreneur. So it was kind of a cool thing. And I tell them I’m selling digital products and they’re like, what’s that?
Can you teach me? And after enough people asked, I wasn’t going to hop on a two hours, one on one zoom call, sharing my screen, just like, wasn’t going to happen, especially when the volume starts increasing. I’m like, okay, I can do it for you. I can do it for you. When 20, when 50 people are asking you to do that, it just, Unsustainable.
So that’s when we kind of expanded [00:18:00] and launched the E printables course back in 2019. So this is going way back and basically just teaching everything we knew, trying to hurdle over all the mistakes that myself and my business partner, the one who told me about printables, Julie had made like the not doing keyword research, like the making sure your listing picture is really good.
Like the, Hey, you should probably use this tool instead of trying to DIY it yourself. And yeah, the rest is kind of history. We’ve now had. Thousands of students go through the course. We’ve had some people quit their jobs. We had one woman who was featured last year who took the course in CNBC for making 150 K on the side on Etsy.
So it’s been really, really cool, really rewarding to kind of share what we’ve learned and other people be able to replicate our success. I’m
Michelle: curious, you know, AI is a thing. It’s not going to go away. Are you seeing changes to your business because of AI? It could be like competition in terms of like people being able to use it in order to design things, or are you using it in order to design [00:19:00] things?
Is there any kind of friction that has impacted your business as a result of AI becoming a thing?
Cody: Impacted positively. Yeah. Yeah. The good question impacted positively. I’d say right now, AI isn’t good enough to make a competitive product in terms of the graphic design. They can make basic stuff. Like you could have AI basically just create, let’s say you wanted to Card like a father’s day card, mother’s day card.
You could just have AI change out the text and go out and upload stuff for you. They’re not going to be able to do any in depth graphic design, creative graphic design for these different types of printable products where AI is really good. And what really, really helps me is with brainstorming. So I’ll like, I’ll have AI generate a whole list of product ideas, and then I’ll plug those product ideas into a keyword research tool.
One of the ones I love to use is called E Rank. It’s Etsy specific. And then I can go and be like, okay, this has this search volume, this amount of competition. Yes, no, maybe so. And I’ll decide whether or not to create that product. [00:20:00] Also, AI has been good for helping with titles, with descriptions, with tags, which is something that helps you.
Say, Hey, this product is for this type of person in Etsy. But in terms of the actual products themselves, AI isn’t quite there yet. Not to say that they’re not going to be there in a couple of years, but they haven’t quite replaced the human creativity when it comes to creating printables.
Michelle: How are people finding your products?
What is the funnel into what you do? I guess I find this very intriguing. What are you doing in order to grow your business and make sure that these sales are happening and that you’re serving your audience?
Cody: I’m really glad you asked this question. So Etsy is kind of the opposite of how a lot of online business owners operate.
We always suggest if you’re interested in selling digital products, you start on Etsy because Etsy brings the buyers to you. It’s similar to an Amazon where if you have a product on there that’s popular, you don’t have to have a social media following. You don’t have to have a blog. You don’t have to have a podcast.
Amazon is just going to feed those, your product to those people. Etsy is going to feed your product to the [00:21:00] people that are searching for that thing. So when I go into this keyword research tools, let’s just use what’s coming up. It’s June 5th. We’re recording this father’s day is coming up. If I type in father’s day card.
Then into E Rank I can get, I can see all of these different variations of Father’s Day card and I can go look at, okay, there’s this many people searching for golf first Father’s Day card. There’s like 200 people searching for it this month. So then I can go in and now I have some data points. I’m like, okay, there’s 200 people searching for it.
There’s only a couple of people selling these products. I have a decent shot at getting a little bit of market share from this. I’m going to go list my product. On Etsy. And if my product matches with exactly what that person is typing into the search bar, just like blogging, just like YouTube, it’s like.
Titles and description, all that stuff. If my thing matches exactly what that person is typing into the search bar, I have a pretty decent chance of them getting to my listing and possibly converting. So on Etsy, like I said, it’s a little bit different where as a lot of people will try to build an audience online and then sell stuff with Etsy.
You don’t need. Sorry, [00:22:00]
Michelle: F1 fighter jet, just, and they’re really low today. So a fighter jet, just like, that was pretty low today. Sorry about that.
Cody: I thought you’re going to get attacked by like a hawk or something.
Michelle: That was one of the lower, like, usually they don’t fly quite that low. That was pretty low.
Sorry about that.
Cody: All good. So where most online business owners will try to build an audience first and then sell them something on Etsy or on Amazon, you can actually create products, start selling them first, and then you can add the online business piece afterward. So that’s kind of what we teach.
That’s kind of what we’ve done is. Again, you don’t need a social media following. You don’t need a big audience to be successful on Etsy or to be successful on Amazon or any of these other basically search engine driven platforms, where they’re actually feeding you the buyers. If you have the correct product that they’re searching for, when they type something into the search bar and your thing pops up, regardless of how many followers you have on Instagram, or regardless of how many people you have in your email list, you’re going to pop up for them.
So. It’s kind of the opposite where you [00:23:00] build on Etsy. And then once you’re successful on Etsy, then you can kind of expand and build off that. Then you can add your products to your website and build out a Shopify store and add an email list. And then maybe that then becomes like a subscription business where people get your like printables drop or your digital products drop every month.
So there’s a lot you can do once you get that like initial splash on Etsy. But honestly, we suggest, and I think it’s the best way by far to get started on Etsy, get some, get some proof of concept and then expand outward from there.
Michelle: Well, what about your courses? So you were successful, are successful in Etsy, and I’m sure some other secondary platforms, you now have this course.
How are you getting people to know about the course?
Cody: Good question. Okay. So this is a little bit different than digital products because unlike Etsy and Amazon, you can’t really just put a course on Etsy or Amazon. It’s going to blow up and you’re going to have a million people coming over to you. I honestly think the best way, if you want to do something like this, whatever niche you might be in is to [00:24:00] build in public.
Just tell people what you’re doing. Cause like I said, It was friends. It was people online that were just asking me, they’re like, Hey, can you help me with this? And eventually, once you get enough demand, like don’t just go out and create a course on something, don’t go out and create a membership on something if there’s no demand there, but if people are constantly asking you for one on one help for, Hey, can you help me with this?
Hey, can you take a look at this thing? I just did. Once you get enough proof of concept and you have enough people asking you for that thing, then you can go out and create an education product on said thing. So that’s what we did at first. And now we have. A bunch of blog articles online about us and our success.
We’ve gotten like featured in press because we’ve actually had success on it. So it’s like, do the thing first, because then you can talk about the thing, which then is, it’s basically free marketing for whatever you’re teaching. Don’t be one of those fake gurus that just teaches something that they’re not actually good at.
Michelle: Okay. So this is my last question. Actually last two. I Really feel like we don’t talk enough about the importance of building a list. Could you [00:25:00] talk about the role of list building within your business or within what you, you teach to your students? And, and why do you think we don’t talk about?
Cody: People love the flashy social media metrics, but someone who has a great email list that only has a couple thousand followers on Instagram will oftentimes make way more money than the person who has 100, 000 followers on Instagram and no email list.
The reason why an email list is so important is it’s one of the most intimate points of entry into someone’s life. A lot of people, they might skip their DMs. They might just be scrolling through their feed. They might skip over that YouTube video. But if you’re sending an email directly to their inbox, I know some people have like the, you know, 99, 000 unread on their Gmail.
But a lot of people don’t. There are a lot of inbox to zero type people. Like email is something that doesn’t get skipped. Maybe the only exception to what gets read more than email is text. But it’s a little harder to collect people’s numbers. People are a little more private about that. The power of an email list, let’s go back to the [00:26:00] printables example.
Let’s say that I’m selling you some personal finance printable, Michelle. And you’re like, this is awesome. This net worth tracker that Cody just gave me. Amazing. And now you get on my email list. Well, chances are, if you thought that was cool, you might think that a lot of the other products that I’m coming out with are cool.
And like, you’re my ideal buyer. You’re my avatar. So the more people like you, I can get on my email list, regardless of whatever you’re selling. This could be a printables example. This could be whatever. If you can get your target avatar on your email list, whenever you come up with a new products, whenever you have a discount, whenever you’re doing a launch, whenever you’re doing a webinar, now you have.
A whole pool of your ideal avatar that you can then market this thing to and tell them about it and deliver value and build this relationship. So that’s why building an email list is so, so important. And a lot of people just skip over this and they like the vanity metrics of social media without actually getting that like really more intimate one to one relationship with their subscribers, with their people.
Michelle: I think that is a great place to kind of wrap this conversation. I was, as we move over to the deeper [00:27:00] conversation, all about making money. So, um, if you can share again, who you are and what you do, that would be fantastic. If you have any resources you’d like to share. And then we’ll get really nerdy about the behind the scenes money conversation.
Cody: Perfect. I am Cody Berman, 28 year old entrepreneur who specializes in selling digital products, co owner of Gold City Ventures. And I was actually able to achieve financial freedom at 25 through a combination of making money online and investing.
